Have the prophets been wrong, or has God allowed great tragedy to befall our nation? Think carefully before you answer.

Secondly, even OT prophets can be “Wrong” without penalty; “Yet forty days, and Ninevah shall be overthrown.” And so on. However, prophecy in the NT is different from the old – else why are we told to judge prophecy?

And thirdly, I don’t think that John, or Wilkerson, has proclaimed a day and hour. Yet Jesus Himself said we would see the signs and know the seasons. Anyone with an ounce of biblical knowledge will state flatly that much of the prophecy remaining to be fulfilled has been fulfilled. We don’t have much time.

It should be noted that John Burton is (AFAIK) a post-trib guy; the House of Prayer position is that the church will go through the tribulation and it will be a time of great harvest. My own position is pre-trib, but have spent much time studying the information HOP has published on the subject. Whether Jesus raptures the church at the beginning or end of the seven-year tribulation matters far less than what we’re doing right now. Which, I believe, is the POINT. We’ve GOT to get busy!

Christ himself told us that we would not know the hour, nor the day, when He would come for us in glory. None will know that hour nor day, none should proclaim to know as such as Burton and Wilkerson seem to hint at. To proclaim such in direct opposition of the words of Christ Himself is, to me at the least, a completly revolting proposition. We must never place our future homes in Heaven above following the commands of the Lord, we must never place our own future joy ahead of our duty to evangelize here on this Earth. Were the Rapture to occur, it would be a joyous event for Christians, but were the Rapture to occur, it would also be a great failure that so few were saved; that we did our jobs so poorly.

John’s next book addresses some of this – thought y’all might be interested in reading a chapter.

It’s challenging stuff. There were a few points in reading 20 Elements that stomped on my toes regarding assumptions about “how church is to be done”…

Everyone who’s read my thoughts on John’s book should go and read this word…

Can anyone show from the Bible that anything below a “certain level” is acceptable to God? (Whether it’s acceptable to man or not is pretty irrelevant)

I think I’d question a church that is satisfied - regardless of what they’re satisfied with. I have some pretty strong feelings about numbers, myself. I don’t believe that a church of 3500 can be pastored effectively.

I really believe that anything less than God’s manifest presence in our daily lives (which could be termed “revival” or “outpouring” or many other things) misses what He has for us.