It’s no secret – I’ll even shout it from the rooftops – I believe there will be great end-times revival. My beliefs on the matter are a bit different from others in that I think there will be more than one stream of revival – imagine, if you can, Toronto, Brownsville, and Lakeland happening all at once in their respective cities – and this magnified worldwide! People won’t have to travel far to “go to the revival” because it will be happening in their own cities and in their own hearts. Glory to God!

It’s oft-argued by heresy hunters and critics of revival that the Bible does not speak of a great end-times revival. Instead, it speaks of the apostasy of the church and the great “falling away”.

I maintain that God speaks of both.

Let’s examine apostasy first, and get it out of the way (because it’s an ugly business, and also because when heresy hunters read this, I want them to read this part FIRST).

Throughout this article, I’m going to refer to a whole slew of people as “revivalists” – very loosely defined as anyone who believes in the power of God manifest in the here and now and actively working to bring about “on earth as it is in heaven”. This would include people from a broad spectrum of doctrine. I also refer to a passel of people as “heresy hunters” – those who devote their lives to picking for nits exposing heresy exalting satan and denigrating God. (for more on this, visit http://huntingheresyhunters.wordpress.com.)

The passage in question is from 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4; 9,10 -

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. [...] The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they may be saved.

This is echoed in 1 Timothy 4:1 -

Now the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons…

As a side note, it’s VERY interesting to me that Paul does not outline false prophecy, seeing angels, gold dust, feathers, or C. Peter Wagner as elements of deceiving spirits and demonic doctrines. He DOES however talk about speaking hypocritical lies, forbidding people to marry, and forbidding the eating of certain foods. (Hmmm. We could say Paul missed an opportunity but this IS after all the INSPIRED word of God – isn’t it?)

Let’s turn back to the “falling away”.

It’s quite clear from Scripture that there WILL be a falling away. There’s absolutely no doubt about it. Who will fall away is the question.

Heresy hunters have claimed that those falling away are revivalists. They claim that because revivalists regularly experience (and produce) signs and wonders, that these are the “lying” signs and wonders of the lawless one.

The Bible is quite clear – lying signs and wonders exalt the enemy. They do not turn people toward Jesus, they turn people away from God and toward false gods. They do not exalt the Lord God Almighty.

I have yet to hear a revivalist exalt the enemy. I have yet to see anyone turned away from Jesus or towards a false god. In fact, everything I’ve seen done at revivals exalts the One True God and seeks to give Him the glory for all that’s happening.

The entire stance of the heresy hunters is that one must operate within certain parameters in order to be a “true” Christian. Of course it’s true that there are some absolutes and that those absolutes are absolutely absolute (Jesus is Lord!) but look at what happened when the disciples tried to argue that people should do things THEIR way: Mark 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 ”For he who is not against us is on our side.”

Now – there ARE people who will work miracles in His name but who are not headed to heaven. Who are they? Jesus says (Matthew 7:21-23) that not everyone who says, “Lord, Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven and not everyone who does signs and wonders in His name are saved. Jesus says, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” The word “knew” is vital because we cannot approach God without knowing Him. The word implies an intimate relationship, as opposed to simply knowing about or intellectually assenting.

I believe there are two groups of people who are “falling away” – those who do not love the truth, those who lie and attack the brethren, and who do not exalt Jesus: the heresy hunters;  and people who call themselves Christians but who are fully engaged with the world: “Christians” who see astrologists and psychics, “Christians” who practice magick, “Christians” who chase after other gods, “Christians” who practice and support abortion, homosexuality, and other abominations. (For the heresy hunters: As an ex-witch I can say with quite a bit of authority that I’ve seen NO magick among revivalists, and most of the witchcraft I’ve seen is out of YOUR camp (using the loose definition of rebellion and manipulation).

For the sake of clarity and completeness, I want to add that many within the church believe that the “falling away” is represented by the rise of non-Christians in our society. I believe this is a sign of the times, but NOT the “falling away” – for something to fall away, it must have once been where it’s falling from (hope that makes sense).

Although this “falling away” MUST happen, I believe that it breaks God’s heart to see those who profess to love Him acting this way. It’s His desire that all people be saved and come to know the truth of Jesus Christ – and while you still draw breath, it’s not too late for repentance.

Next post on this topic will be Scriptural proofs for the End-Times revival(s).

  • Caitlin

    Kathi,

    The epistles to Timothy are from the School of Paul and are not written by Paul and 2 Thessalonians is most likely to also be from the School of Paul.

    • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

      Cat – long time no hear! Hope all is well with you!

      Really, although scholars tend to be in agreement as to the author of the epistles (tho some claim different authorship, as you do), I don’t care if Paul’s housecat wrote them. Are they the inspired word of God, and therefore authoritative… or not?

  • Ichabod

    “Now – there ARE people who will work miracles in His name but who are not headed to heaven.”

    Where does this power come from?

    • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

      To be honest with you, Dave – I don’t see a whole lot of evidence in the Bible for genuine bona-fide miracles apart from God’s power. Yes, it does talk about “lying signs and wonders” in several forms – but for example, the Bible never says that satan can, for example, heal people. So I think when that happens, it is actually God’s power.

  • Ichabod

    Well you see ma’am that’s where I have a problem:

    1.“Now – there ARE people who will work miracles in His name but who are not headed to heaven.”
    2.”So I think when that happens, it is actually God’s power.”

    Why would God give someone power who isn’t headed to Heaven? To me, this is the last kind of person He’d give power to. After all, wouldn’t they lead people into the same kind of errors that’s going to prevent them from going to Heaven? “He’s healing people in the name of Jesus! He must be on the up and up!”

  • Donna

    Kathi, I’m a little confused too.

    How can you have this…

    >>1.“Now – there ARE people who will work miracles in His name but who are not headed to heaven.”
    2.”So I think when that happens, it is actually God’s power.”<>Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 ”For he who is not against us is on our side.” <<

    The bible says that there are those in the end who will say, “Lord, Lord…”, so it is obvious that there are wolves in sheeps clothing, pretending to do God’s work, but doing that of the devil. So then what can the latter quote mean?

    And how can those not headed to heaven work miracles at all? According to this above verse they cannot, as only those that are for God (Christian/saved) can work miracles in his name.

    And why would God allow a liar to use his power anyway? Isn’t this how people are fooled, led astray, and left with bitterness and anger, as I once was?

    There seems some contradiction here somewhere.

    I’m not sure if what I’ve written makes any sense, I hope so. I’m really just trying to understand.

    • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

      It’s not something I can pretend I know the answer to, Donna … other than what Jesus said and personal experience.

      I think the equation is backwards: Can God do whatever He wants through whomever He wants at any time He wants? Yes. And so, can He work through someone who’s not saved… even to do a miracle? Yes. Can He work through someone who’s in sin… even to do a miracle? Yes.

      I’m not so sure that it’s a liar using God’s power, so much as it is God using them even though they’re a liar… if that makes sense.

      There’s also the matter that the Bible says the gifts and callings of God are without repentence/irrevocable. I’m going to step out on a limb here and say that this is why people can move in power even after they’ve gone completely off the rails.

      The other piece of this, again, is while the Bible talks about lying signs and wonders, it never really spells them out for us. Can the devil create? (No) So when a man who is an unrepentant sinner prays for someone and there is a creative miracle, who did that? If satan can’t create, he cannot be the author of that miracle.

      I don’t think the lying signs and wonders in the Bible are much more than magick, like at Pharoah’s court or what Simon the Sorcerer did – and if Simon marvelled at the outpouring of the Holy Ghost and people around him speaking in tongues, how much of a “miracle” were any of his works?

      Does any of this make sense?

  • Donna

    Sorry Kathi, there should have been a division between your quote and the verse from the bible. I’m not sure why when I post sometimes things get changed after I hit ‘submit’??

  • Ron

    http://www.endtimepropheticwords.com, has ANOTHER expose’ of the DOCUMNETED lies and falsehoods promoted by the NAR gang and Todd Bentley. It’s quite disturbing to note that the very people who should be discipling and warning the flock of false ministers are the one’s like the Joyner’s adn Bob Jones and Stephen Strader;s, are nOT and the “world”, who have been attempting to get verifications for bona fide miracles or healing get relatively nothing except spin.

    Why do people need Lakeland, Brownsville Pensacol and Lakeland alll rolled into one…when most of what happened was filled with falsehoods, from Rodney Howad Browne, John Arnott, Bentley Joyner. Do we really need God’s people barking like dogs, being “slain in the Spirit”, have more of the hard earned dollars absconded by multi millionaires taht “teach ” the hundred fold doctrine of demons, “preach” about meeting Paul in a cabin in Heaven…thanks Todd Bentley for that lie from hell, stories of alleged angleic encounters, trips to the third heaven with his associated unprovable unbiblical and demonic visions….I mean other than what has BEEN PROVEN and EXPOSED for decades of ALL this and more…people willagain this summer flock to Californie or wherever the next “Outpouring”, that will be well marketed AGAInN by PR firms…again, we will here grand tales of healings, and resurrections…and again the flcok will drink it in…sayin”’This is God”…”This is the PROMISED outpouring”,a nd of course people who have had hands laid on them, against biblical warnings will be defiled by heretics.

    Of course, those who PROVE their heresies, question where is the proof, where’s the money,,, where is that in scruipture?…wil be labled cold, heartless, “un=open” to the supernatural, pharisees, and of course we will be “rebuked” that we have to submit to these apostles and prophets or we are in dnager of Hell….so be it.

  • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

    Ron, considering that the woman who runs ETPW is in quite a spot of trouble, it’s quite hypocritical for you to even quote her. (Just google “Miriam Franklin sued” and you’ll come up with some great info.

    Do we need God’s people doing [anything]… yes, we do, if God does it. I’ve seen Him do it, I’ve experienced Him doing it, and I look forward to whatever HE does next. :)

    You don’t have to submit to them, Ron. You DO have to submit to God. What does the Bible REALLY say?

  • Ron

    Let me axe you a question Kathi? What benefit does gold teeth, feather, gold dust, and a preacher alleging…AGAIn alleging that he is seeing angels appearing in a meeting. AGAIN alleging, why is it the “rock stars” in these meetings the only ones seeing these and no one else. Vain imaginations….To me the things mentioned, including alleged angels of healing, prosperity,and the long list of other names these revivalists have described them, with no scriptural basis whatsoever are demonsstrations of false signs and wonders…including healing…whcih the vast majority of the time are undocumneted, not proven, merely someone “feeling” better.

    When false prophets such as Bentley focus an entire meeting on his alleged angleic visitations,a nd hasd been instructed by the like of GASp Bob Jones,w hop has for decades been exposed as a false manipulator…I mean do you stilltrust soemone who asked women to strip before him naked to receive a “prophecy”..ahem. Nice job Bob, or people that beleive the angleic presence of Emma, who Branham announced to the world.

    Remember Branham, the same man, who falsely prohesied taht all denominations would be eleimanted by the Spirit in the 70′s, the same Branham who stated that he was Elijah???? Or that the doctrine of the Holy SPirit was a BLAPHEMY???? Or that the pyrmaids, scripture,a nd the ZODIAC, was equal in relevance, and truth???

    Are we not supposed to seriously question and confront that soemone who credits, applaudes, and has learned from soemone as blashphemous as that shouldn’t be avoided??? Or am I being mean?

    If we aren;t supposed to do that …than WE have to accept Joseph Smoth of mormonism’s claims as well.

    OH…By the way..according to “testimonies” Branham did see people healed….things that make me go Hmmmm

  • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

    I see you neatly avoided – oh well.

    What benefit does being translated from one place to another or being caught up to the third heaven or being let out of jail by an angel or experiencing an earthquake after you pray? And yet God’s done all of that and more.

    As for Branham, I know someone who knew him ::shrugs:: what you have to say doesn’t carry a whole lot of weight.

  • Donna

    Thanks for your reply, Kathi, I ‘think’ I know what you’re saying, and yet still I find it confusing.

    You see if God does work miracles through a deceiver, how dangerous is this for the receiver of this miracle? And also to those that witness the miracle?

    And how does one then know the difference of who is truly of God, and who isn’t?

    >>the Bible says the gifts and callings of God are without repentence/irrevocable.<<

    Can you tell me where this is in the bible? I’d like to read it. Thanks Kathi.

  • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

    Hey Donna!

    Femme, who’s an online friend of mine, in a completely different conversation reminded me of this:

    You know, one of the miracles that happened in the desert with Moses was when he struck the rock, instead of speak to it as instructed by God. God still brought the water for the people, but Moses lost his entrance to Canaan because of it.

    It’s a story worth knowing … It’s in Numbers 20. God told Moses what to do and how to do it. Moses, in an act of utter rebellion, did it differently. The people still got their water – but it was very bad for Moses.

    The “irrevocable” verse is Romans 11:29.

  • http://www.sunbrook.com St. George retirement community

    Kathi–
    I don’t agree with everything you said, though I back you up on what you shared about the verse in Matthew and not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will get to heaven.

    Also, I liked what you said here:
    “Although this “falling away” MUST happen, I believe that it breaks God’s heart to see those who profess to love Him acting this way. It’s His desire that all people be saved and come to know the truth of Jesus Christ”

    Certainly God loves us and he wants us to be in heaven. Take care

  • nu kid

    The only problem I’d have with barking is that I’m a confirmed life-long cat person, even though I currently have no feline house companion.

    Now, meowing with brothers and sisters at the ol’ meeting house sometime sounds like it could be fun. And, in all humility, I do I one dang good cat imitation!

  • Donna

    >>I believe there are two groups of people who are “falling away” – those who do not love the truth, those who lie and attack the brethren, and who do not exalt Jesus: the heresy hunters; and people who call themselves Christians but who are fully engaged with the world<<

    Okay, so these are people that were saved obviously, or they couldn’t ‘fall away’ – so does this then mean that not only those that have renounced God and turned to others will lose their salvation, but also those who have simply backslidden?

  • nu kid

    Hi Kathi -

    You did a good job in explaining you take on this!

    There’s so much to peruse, so I saved “pt 2″ and converted it to a doc file – easier to read offline with the biopters, lol.

    There’s so much – but I’ll have to keep my thoughts to 2-3 graphs, where I would agee with you,might see some things differently and where I have questions. I’d need a blog entry myself (!) haha, to do a complete “fisking” (in the good sense of that term).

    If you’re still thinkin’ on getting a bible specifically to “mark up” on the topic of revival, I’d suggest two things: 1) check out used book stores so you don’t have to spend primo dollar and 2) if you used markings – e.g. felt tip color markers – since passage mark-overs tend to bleed through to the obverse/reverse pages(learned that the hard way, lol), instead mark verses in othe outter side of the page using single key-letter notation , e.g., “R” for revival, “P” for prayer, etc. As oppsed to highlighting the text itslf. And mebbe keep a seperate notebook which cites the verse, as a reference guide. That’s just my thinkin’.

    It’s obvious you put a lot of time and thought into your ongoing contemplations on the topic. Good work!

  • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

    Heya!! :D I do plan on dropping by a used bookstore for a Bible. I use colored pencils for marking my Bibles – the ones I get have a soft lead, so don’t tear pages – they don’t bleed through – they’re bright and remain that way for years – and I can’t leave the cap off and stain through a purse onto clothing and pew cushions (ask me how I know about that)

    Would LOVE for your input!

  • Inquisitior

    “Ron, considering that the woman who runs ETPW is in quite a spot of trouble, it’s quite hypocritical for you to even quote her. (Just google “Miriam Franklin sued” and you’ll come up with some great info”

    Kath, google ‘new world order’ and you will also find some “great info” too, most of it utter nonsense.

    The perpetrator of 99% of the “great info” actually is a rival publisher, stephen manning of checkpoint press. If you delve a bit deeper and do your own research you will find that a lot of his claims don’t add up at all.

    http://websmear.com/?p=288

    • http://iamhealed.net Kathi

      Ahh. What’s good for the goose is not good for the gander, is it?
      :)

   

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I'm a laid-down lover of Jesus Christ. I write about my King and His Kingdom, the Bible, revival, healing, prophecy, faith, and more... plus I throw in recipes, tips, news and politics items, reviews, and all sorts of random things just for fun. Until recently, I was known as "Kathi"... but my name is now Kay. It's a good, God thing... :) The opinions expressed in this blog are mine and mine only - not necessarily shared by my husband, our church, my employers, or anyone else.

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