The Eldgers go to the brother/sister and with all the love of Christ disuss it with them.  Hearing is more important than talking judgementally.   Anyway, it usually never gets to the last steps, because if the person was trully a Christ -led person, repentance comes.  Without threats of hell and judgenment coming from the elders lips.  The just speak the word of God from the Bible.  ANyway, I have never known anyone that has been forcablity barred from coming in the church building.  But, I have seen one about 5 years ago in the old church that had been castigated (the last step) in front of the body.  This simply asks to pray for such snd uch, that the elders tried many times to help him see the error and sin.  He refused and has been un repented.  If that person keeps comming to services( even during this acknowledgemnt in from of the body, they usually feel exposed and castigated.  Which better if he is to come to repentance.  The Bible is expliit on this.

Yelling during a service is plain wrong, regaurdless.  Other people are there for a worshipfull, enlightening experience.  You are putting others in an embarrasing situation.  Of Course, they’ll feel very negative and put off in a big way.  You have essentially dirtied thier “Spiritual Water” as it were.  All because you are thinking it is a proper place to do this (5 times even).  It is not what God would have ANYone do.  It IS His House.  You only harden the hearts of the unsaved folk there, who may be in there to receive a seed or salvation itself.  These folk are not members of the church I kind think.  If you want to do something in a “wide audience” sort of way; go get interview on TV.  I am sure the world will be chomping at the bits to get a inter Church skizim going for some hot events on the news.

True Christians can laugh it off and shake there heads in amazment.  But there is true hatred for the Christ-led.  They are coming right on in and there goal is to disrupt, embarrass, even bully, the Church body.  Like those Gay Activists some time ago.  They through there leaflets all over.  They were escoted out as peacably as the could be, picked up there mess, and helped the elderly woman off the ground when she wanted to leave.  These clods were demonic I think.   Not even polite enough to let the lady leave.

We haven’t seen the true things that are know being down to Chrisitans around the world.  We think it could not happen here in the US.  It already has, a lot.  Yu see the media just isn’t gonna tell you those stories.

These people travel earth and sea to win one proselyte and make them twice as much a son of hell as they are. If you're not willing to become just like them, you are obviously a heretic. Obviously. They've even taken to doing drive-by shootings on facebook and twitter and people who won't look at their websites are labeled heretics.

Apparently anybody who supports grace, forgiveness and redemption… in regard to divorce, for example… is a heretic. Can God not forgive and restore Todd?

It's honestly so sad… so many of these people are just mean and there's no kindness or tenderness at all. Don't they know that it's kindness that leads people to repentance?

The only reason they call Todd Bentley a heretic is because he believes with all his heart, mind, and soul in the REDEMPTIVE and TRANSFORMATIVE power of Christ. They do not believe that Christ can redeem, save, heal, deliver, set free from bondage. Ergo he (and you, and I) upset their apple cart because we have something that they lack.

The issue is this- heresy hunters presume to be the only bible scholars with an approved interpretation of biblical non-absolutes. There is zero room for healthy, enjoyable debate… they are right and literally every single other person in the world is wrong.

They presume to have the final word on everything- tongues, manifestations, timing of the rapture, Calvinism vs. Armenianism, etc.

If anybody disagrees on any of it, they are deemed to be demonized, a heretic, following another Jesus, etc.

I haven't been able to find any of them… not one… who will discuss this point.

Again, the question is- do you agree that some Christians have differing interpretations on some biblical points?

For example… Todd Bentley and the angel Emma. Why do people have such a hard time with that? The only reason I've heard is because the Bible doesn't mention female angels. That's it. Is there something I'm missing? Is it fair to call Todd a heretic because of that single issue? Is that enough evidence to prove that he's inhabited by Satan? I'm not talking about his other issues… is that single issue enough to renounce him?

Steve, you're welcome to read here – but if you continue to post in such a way that I have to stop what I'm doing, pray for your blood pressure, and delete what you've said – I'll IP ban you in order to help you behave.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Kathi Sharpe <kathi@iamhealed.net> wrote:
approve

I'm sorry, but that right there says it all. We are commanded to boldly preach the Gospel. It is not PEOPLE that convinces unbelievers to have faith in Christ, it's the Spirit that regenerates their souls, and opens their eyes to the truth. We are just the vessels that communicate. This has been God's plan from the very beginning, but Todd is saying that's not good enough.