A long time ago, I started to have a particular physical sensation when something of the Holy Spirit was happening. It’s subtle – not as forceful as my friend Frances has – she has a very intense physical sensation of discernment.

What I feel is very hard to describe – it’s holy fear and awe but more, but over time and with consistency I’ve come to know it as my “God is about” feeling. What I feel is subtle and I suppose could go un-noticed if I wasn’t paying attention. I never rely on “just” the “feeling” (I think that would be dangerous) but couple that with what the Bible and the Spirit actually say. (I can’t say that I’ve ever had the feeling when Scripture contradictions)

I also have a particular physical sensation when exposed to certain non-Christian teachings – occult, new age, JW, Mormon, etc. It’s almost like a cloud descends and it feels like something is trying to bend my brain. It’s an odd feeling, disturbing. (Likewise I can’t say I’ve ever had the feeling about something that’s actually God)

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that I get that same cloud/bend sensation when I’m reading heresy-hunter stuff. I just happened upon a forum I figured would be pro-revival by its name. Some folks are, and some folks are rabidly anti-revival (not just Lakeland). Same sensation as I get when I’m around evil.

Just wanted to note it as something interesting.

 

I’ve been cruising blogs this morning – I started on Tim Brownlee’s blog (see last post) and started jumping from link – to link – to link – a sort of three-dimensional web that led me to lots of new places, fascinating people, and even back to a few blogs I already read (six degrees of separation, anyone?)

Found two things of interest to everyone who’s following the Lakeland Revival/Todd Bentley and the issues therein:

The first, from Pray the Revolution, discusses heresy hunters and bereans. Good take on it.

The second, from the Prayer Room blog, talks about Todd’s comments on his situation, through Rick Joyner. I’m copying the relevant portion here – but the rest of what Rick has to say is important, too.

Todd Bentley asked me to convey his appreciation for all the prayers, expressions of love, and concern while he tries to navigate through this present situation. He is grieved by the trouble and confusion this has caused, especially to his friends, coworkers, and all who have trusted him. He wants to make a clear statement about it, acknowledging his responsibility in this and the mistakes he made, but he feels that he should first meet with Pastor Bill Johnson, who is out of the country and will not be available for a couple more weeks. He asks that you would continue to pray for him, and he thanks those who are willing to be patient. He wants to do this right and not hastily or superficially.

 

Jules posted a couple of links to commentaries about Todd Bentley in the Lakeland Leadership Lessons post.

Here’s more information, along with commentary, from Peter Kirk’s Gentle Wisdom blog: Todd Bentley’s Apostolic Oversight Team in Action

In response to Jules’ question – “I’m not interested in swooping round the net to find salacious gossip; I’m trying to sort out in my own mind what went wrong where and what lessons can be learned.” — to be honest, I’m not sure we’ll ever know the whole story. And, I’m not sure that we should. Whether TB repents or not, whether TB is restored or not, do we – even though we’re brethren – have the “right” to every detail, whether lurid or mundane, of another’s life?? To be honest, I’m starting to see parallels between TB and the media’s treatment of, say, Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears. I mean, who CARES if PH got her puppy’s legs waxed yesterday? The whole TB debacle is taking on that level of paparazzi-fever.

Meanwhile, SLW at the Sound of Thunder blog has a VERY interesting take on the topic of BIBLICAL discipline: “How do you mend a broken part?” It’s almost certain to incite a riot in some circles. I found one of his commenters – ironically named “Todd” – He says (in part): I found myself angry at the Biblical method of dealing with a transgressor. I wanted justice, not mercy and forgiveness! How quickly we forget the mercy of our Savior!

Wow. That’s telling about the church as a whole. How many are crying out for justice – rather than mercy?

Zechariah 7:9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Execute true justice, Show mercy and compassion Everyone to his brother.’”

Amen.

 

Note: I shorthand Todd Bentley to be TB and Lakeland to be L, and the two together are TB&L.

Given Fresh Fire Ministries’ announcements over the last few days regarding Todd and Shonnah Bentley’s separation and the subsequent announcement that Todd had developed an emotional bond with another woman that was inappropriate, a number of people are asking questions.

Perhaps the most common is, “How did all those leaders, pastors, and people who flocked to the revival lack discernment?”

My satirical response is, “Did YOU know it was going on?” (to which you’d reply, “no, but I knew SOMETHING was…”, and my further response would be, “Because millions and millions of Christians are poor, ignorant slobs who are dumber than a big bucket full of hair and who are incapable of hearing from the Lord and who should bow to your obviously superior connection to God” … except that the complainers generally have complained that many felt that Todd Bentley had a superior connection to God and I’m sure that said complainers don’t want THAT association. (not to mention that it’s rather ridiculous!)

The simple answer to “Why didn’t you know?” is, “He didn’t tell me.”

Contrary to popular opinion (mostly among non-prophetic folks), God does not tell His prophets everything. He doesn’t tell anyone everything. Paul argues in 1 Corinthians 13 that even if God DID tell us everything, but we lack love (KJV=”charity”), it’s all rather pointless.

My question is, “Where’s the love and charity for the Bentleys?”

Best ask God before you reply, “But we knew something was wrong from the beginning…”

Kathie Walters has a GREAT piece over on the Realms of Glory blog – talking about discernment and bitterness with regards to this whole situation. She even talks about Branham, Ron :)

Someone else (when I remember who/were, I’ll edit) said that perhaps God has reasons for not telling people – because He’s wanting to teach the church about how to respond in love and humility to this situation.

A counterpart to the above question/response is this: The revival is/was never about Todd Bentley. TB is a man. But Jesus is Jesus, and that’s Who the revival is about.

A second counterpart to the above question/response is this: God used a flawed man. Find me one that’s not. [self included there!]

There’s no “excuse” for sin – but when it happens, what is the one who sinned supposed to do? Perhaps the critics and heresy hunters would be happy if TB doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire? One would hope not (but I wouldn’t doubt it!)… all TB has to do is go to God with it and get right, and take steps to ensure it doesn’t happen again, and marvel at His grace and love (as the rest of us should, daily!)… and it sounds like he’s doing just that.

I do wonder what God thinks of all the curses that have been leveled at Todd and Shonnah. The Bible says that life and death are in the power of the tongue. That’s not some magickal formula, but it is a practical spiritual principle. If it’s true that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks – and the mouth is speaking vile words against a Christian – what is in the heart? Jesus says that we’ll give an account for our words, you know! (NOTE: again, I’m not referring to people who disagree. I’m sure if I attended my local Baptist church I’d find a lot to disagree with, and I might say so – but I’m not going to call their doctrines demonic and denounce the pastor and warn people about them! *)

(I’m going to talk about me for a second, because to talk about Todd with my next statement would be speculative and that would be wrong to do. Could it be part of what happened? Yes. Is it? Time, and God, will tell.) I’ve been the recipient of loving, constructive criticism. It can be hard to take sometimes, but when God is in something, even when two people disagree, all grow more in Him. I’ve also been the recipient of hateful, spiteful, cursing, venomous words – most often from people claiming to be Christians.  Some of it’s current, but most of it’s in the past from my involvement at EW. Hopefully I’ve learned some lessons from that time, that I can apply to now. :D But I can say that discouraging words do tend to do just that – discourage. When it seems that not only is every demon on the planet out to get you, but friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, and complete strangers are out to get you also – it’s hard to maintain focus. It’s hard to escape the bitter soap opera (it just occurred to me, lots of the Psalms are about this very subject…).

I speak of the revival in the present tense, and will continue to do so. To the best of my knowledge, services are still going on at Ignited Church, but even if they were to cease, the impartation I received and revival I experienced still live in my heart. There is a holy passion for Jesus and a level of intimacy with Him that I have now that’s qualitatively and quantitatively DIFFERENT from what I had pre-revival (and I had no small measure before).

Someone (Anita or Alycin, I think) said that we should not take “pride” in our relationship with Christ. I think I’m going to have to write another post, about intimacy and relationship. To an extent I agree – if we start thinking that because we’re in tight with God, nothing bad can happen to us, and we can do no wrong, then things are likely to unravel. But we also must rest secure in Jesus and strive to grow in that relationship every minute of every day! I’ll say more in another post, maybe later today – we’ll see.

Again, I’ve written a much longer post than I intended to! I just get wordy in my old age and general sleepiness (it’s been an odd day – had to have Kayt to the RDU airport 90 minutes away, at 4:30 this morning for her flight to Florida. That means we got up at 2 and left here around 3. Came home, took a nap, but still zzzzzzzzzzz!! She just called a bit ago, arrived safely and is headed to Southeastern to get settled in! Thank You, Lord, for her safe travel!!)

* Clarification – since I’ve mentioned them before – There are two Baptist churches in our town that I DO warn people about – not because they’re Baptist, but because they routinely throw people out of church for not giving enough money and not dressing “appropriately” (One church asked Mother Louise not to ever come back, because she attended an evening service wearing a pantsuit). However, these two are exceptions to the rule and most of the other churches are quite nice.

 

As I was praying a little while ago, God showed me some things and spoke some words to my heart, and He directed me to share them here.

I saw a collection of “things” – some were what might be called spirits, and some were items symbolic of different beliefs and practices. Although these things were obviously evil, they were very pretty. God labeled these things “spiritual adultery”. Then I saw other “things” symbolizing the real/the truth.  These things were also pretty but there was a difference about them – like the difference between a cubic zirconia and a real diamond. Then He spoke to me that for every counterfeit in the spiritual realm, there is something REAL and right and true.

He directed my attention to the angels I’ve seen. I haven’t asked them for an ID card, but I knew that Jesus sent them. How did I know? They were wearing Him – His glory was all over them. I thought of the demons I once knew and worshiped, remembering what they looked like (I used to see them) – they were majestic and beautiful, but they didn’t have Jesus on them. They looked like something good but were no comparison to the real deal!

“Everybody” with the tiniest bit of discernment and common sense knows that there are spiritual counterfeits in our world.

But, as the Lord pointed out to me, what are these things counterfeits OF?

There’s been some comparisons made between the occult/new age and assorted revivals and preachers. “It looks similar,” they say, “so it must be the same.”

Have you ever handled counterfeit money? I have. You probably have too, but unless you’ve worked in retail or banking you likely don’t know that you have. Counterfeit money looks like real money, feels like real money, and even spends like real money – until it’s caught! Notice, too, that no one (sane) tries to spend monopoly money. Why? Because monopoly money is not a counterfeit of something real.

Does the fact that there is counterfeit money out there stop you from cashing your paycheck and spending it? If someone owes you money, will fear of counterfeits stop you from accepting payment? Of course not. You wouldn’t let someone give you fakes – but you’ll accept the real money.

Likewise, we must be on the watch for spiritual counterfeits. We must guard our hearts and minds and remain true to the Lord – not engaging in spiritual adultery with the counterfeits. However, we must be mature enough in Him to recognize what is real from what is fake, and accept the real.

  • Angels? Real.
  • Visions and dreams? Real.
  • Prophecy and hearing from God? Even audibly? Even saying mighty strange things? Real.
  • Healings and Miracles… even people healed by our shadows and handkerchiefs? Real.
  • Deliverance? Real.
  • Trances? Real.
  • Encounters with Jesus? Even face to face? Real.
  • The presence of God? Real.
  • Being slain in the Spirit? Real.
  • Speaking in tongues? Gaining whole languages? Interpreting tongues or languages? Real.
  • Being taken up to the third heaven? Real.
  • Resurrection from the dead? Real.
  • Power over all the power of the enemy? Real.

Are there fakes to all of these? Yes. BUT I GOT EVERY ONE OF THOSE “EXPERIENCES” OUT OF THE BIBLE!!

So what do we do? Discern the real and embrace what God has given us.

Could we make a mistake? Certainly. But we need to take a few things into account here – God said that if we ask Him for the Holy Spirit, He’s going to give Him to us! He loves us. Jesus also said that we’d do greater works than He did. He said that signs would follow those who believe. He said we have power over all the power of the enemy. He said that the Holy Spirit would convict us of sin. If we’re genuinely following the Lord (and that IS key here) and we’re passionately head over heels in love with Him, if we don’t recognize a counterfeit immediately, we will quickly. Deception *can* happen if we follow a pattern of walking away from Him – not in the Word, not in prayer, not in worship… but if we believe that the Lord is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him – and we’re diligently seeking Him – then we need not fear.

Fear of untruth is a great bondage. But Jesus said that the truth would make us free.

Kay Sharpe


I'm a laid-down lover of Jesus Christ. I write about my King and His Kingdom, the Bible, revival, healing, prophecy, faith, and more... plus I throw in recipes, tips, news and politics items, reviews, and all sorts of random things just for fun. Until recently, I was known as "Kathi"... but my name is now Kay. It's a good, God thing... :) The opinions expressed in this blog are mine and mine only - not necessarily shared by my husband, our church, my employers, or anyone else.

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